The 2023/24 L1 Matchday Thread

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JonnyBiscuits
That bloke kills me. What a prick.

TrevorAylottsHeadband

JonnyBiscuits The CFG approach seems to be founded upon a notion of sticking to your principles, and if you continue to “do things right” you’ll eventually succeed.

In which case, I would argue that it is ultimately doomed to fail. Football as a game is constantly evolving and the game we see today is totally different to that we saw 20yrs ago, and that was totally different to the one 20yrs before that, and so on. That’s partly down to rule changes, but it’s also a result of tactical changes in an attempt to do something different and break down the current orthodoxy.

As such, the ‘CFG approach’, however that is defined, is going to have to evolve too. As much as anything, other non-CFG sides will start to adopt the same approach and the advantages are nullified cf. Moneyball…

daleoufc89

TrevorAylottsHeadband nail on head

JonnyBiscuits

There really needs to be a more robust punishment for the deliberate foul that snuffs out a counter attack. Yellow cards are clearly not a sufficient deterrent. It’s literally Orient’s game plan. Load everyone forward and don’t worry about the space behind because they can just foul to prevent the opposition exploiting it.

Bspittles

JonnyBiscuits ten minute sin bin is being tested, had a big impact at lower levels.

JonnyBiscuits

That was appalling

JonnyBiscuits

JonnyBiscuits I don’t disagree with any of that as a broad principle but I do actually think, with some fairly obvious and not especially major adjustments, we could be winning games pretty comfortably, and be relatively entertaining while doing it.

Adjustments not yet made.

JonnyBiscuits

They feel like a group of players that aren’t buying into what they’re being asked to do.

brinyhoof

JonnyBiscuits I said today that it feels like DB has lost the dressing room before he’s even gained it. That was indeed truly awful and I’m afraid does nothing to ease my concerns about him. Yes, individual errors etc but what is the basis of those errors. Fear? Confusion? Being City Grouped all week!?

daleoufc89

JonnyBiscuits I’ll be honest, I’m not quite sure what to make of it. Just so frustrating

JonnyBiscuits

brinyhoof Yeah, a nice lad like him winning over a robust EFL dressing room was always a concern of mine. I dunno if that is actually what’s going on/a contributing factor, but it is a worry.

Whatever the situation is really morale sapping.

JonnyBiscuits

daleoufc89 Yeah, frustrating and exasperating.

brinyhoof

On the plus side, that twat Neal didn’t have a good enough signal to get his no doubt appalling take heard.

JonnyBiscuits

Bspittles I was originally interested in seeing what that would do but having listened to a lot of the debate, I fear the impact that will have on other parts of the game would be too much.

Bspittles

At Step 6 and 7, it has reduced cynical challenges and referee abuse I believe.

JonnyBiscuits

Bspittles I’m willing to try different things. Not sure the rest of football is up for this one though.

brinyhoof

JonnyBiscuits could DB not having had a playing career be a factor? I’m not saying we want Frank Lampard but do players lack respect for someone who hasn’t been there done that? KR and LM only played non league I know.

JonnyBiscuits

My worry is this.

The frustrating game plan has previously been knock the ball along the back line, draw them out and then get in behind them and cause them problems. The issue was teams weren’t taking the bait and we didn’t know what to do.

Today, we faced a team that spent all their time up in our grill and left tonnes of space in behind them… so this should have been the perfect opportunity to play the game that we’re set up to.

And it still didn’t work.

JonnyBiscuits

brinyhoof I’ve always felt that meant a new, non-playing manager had an immediate hill to climb over with regard to earning the players’ respect. My fear has always been that Des might struggle with that.

Btw I’m not sure it’s all that acceptable that players sit back with their arms folded waiting to be impressed by a manager; but right or wrong, it feels like that’s what happens.

brinyhoof

JonnyBiscuits in my old career as a social worker I worked in East Sussex where, at the time, the senior manager and his deputy were not qualified social workers and had never done the job or anything similar. The manager was a decent bloke, had great music taste (I.e. like mine!), but he was a corporate appointment, a money man, process-driven and detached from the frontline. This unnerved a workforce who were in the profession for different reasons and I’d be lying if those of us who spent years qualifying as social workers didn’t often feel aggrieved that the chief decision maker had no experience of the situations we were dealing with and trying to convey to him. That his deputy had no hands-on experience neither meant, in the eyes of many, the management team had no credibility and this was discussed in a negative/frustrated/angry way on a daily basis.

I’m not saying our players’ attitudes are right, if indeed this is was is happening, but they will be talking among themselves ‘outside of work’ and I guarantee ‘what does he know?’ is the basis of many a conversation.

oxblogger

Match wrap | Oxford United 1 Leyton Orient 2

‘The temptation here is to simplify the problem focus on one thing, but a complex problem requires a complex solution that clusters around one grand vision.’

https://oxblogger.co.uk/2024/02/25/match-wrap-oxford-united-1-leyton-orient-2/

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